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Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 13:55:00 - [1] Not going to read 14 pages but here's what I remember: Scorpions with fancy paint jobs are firmly in the "ok sure it doesn't impact gameplay aside from being some shiny thing that somebody might want to buy to customize their gameplay experience" category. You need to provide that hull first though so you're not sidestepping the producer market. I don't have an issue with MT that are purely cosmetic and as long as it does that then who cares. It has to do that though.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 14:01:00 - [2] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Vile rat Not going to read 14 pages but here's what I remember: Scorpions with fancy paint jobs are firmly in the "ok sure it doesn't impact gameplay aside from being some shiny thing that somebody might want to buy to customize their gameplay experience" category. You need to provide that hull first though so you're not sidestepping the producer market. I don't have an issue with MT that are purely cosmetic and as long as it does that then who cares. It has to do that though. The problem was that providing the hull first wasn't going to be necessary for 3-4 months, thereby sidestepping the producer market. I do not agree with anything that sidesteps the producer market. You need to have to have a produced scorpion first for this to be something I'd support. In general though I don't have any issue with MT that are purely for cosmetics.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:40:00 - [3] Edited by: Vile rat on 14/06/2011 15:40:40 Wow people really upset that I wouldn't read 14 full pages, heh! I stated my position and I'm comfortable with it. I'm clearly on the opposite side of the fence from this plan as the plan as stated doesn't require a built scorpion in order to complete the transaction. I don't think it'll have a huge impact on the market since this will be such a niche event (buying a reskinned scorpion) but it does introduce something other than a purely cosmetic result so I'm not on board on a long term scale. As a short term (week or two) promotion it shouldn't have a huge impact on the market so I wouldn't so much care. So basically, as an enduring item it really needs to require something already produced so you don't just insert dollar = receive Scorpion. If this is just a test run for a week or two, I don't like it for those reasons but I'm not going to get all worked up about it. If some of you think it'll destroy the scorpion market and feel it'll be horribly destablilizing let's hear what you got to say but my read is it'll be negligible.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:47:00 - [4] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Vile rat Not going to read 14 pages... Originally by: Vile rat ...let's hear what you got to say... Did my post clear it up enough?
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Arya Greywolf It does add more than "a purely cosmetic result." It adds a scorpion (ship) with a paint job (cosmetic) for $$$. There was no work to get this besides MT. This is bullsht. Uh. I agree? That was the point of my post? Quote:* You say it's a "test" run but that's exactly what CCP wants us to think. Another 6 months or less, they will be doing this hogwash for an increasing number of ships, other items, etc. It's a slippery slope. It should not be in EvE. I have no issue with paint jobs that you MT for that go on a hull you own. This clearly is not that. Do I have an issue with a week period where this is for sale? I do have issues with it, but I don't think it'll have a huge impact. Depending on how it's priced it could be abused (insert scenes of market dudes melting down thousands of pseudo-scorps ruining the mineral market) but it's a non issue anyways since they are pushing this back.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:53:00 - [6] Originally by: salty Milk Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: Vile rat Not going to read 14 pages... Originally by: Vile rat ...let's hear what you got to say... Did my post clear it up enough? you are disgusting quit soon seriously you are an absolute disgrace of a representative you have no place on the csm or any other body the csm shouldnt be about juicy delicious tears on something awful forums or where ever you kool kid klan types hang out these days remove yourself you are absolutely terrible and deserve no favour, no respect and absolutely no benefit of any doubt did my post clear it up enough? Thanks for your input forum poster "salty milk".
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 15:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Ingvar Angst I'm surprised that, in Eve, we're seeing this much rage over ships being bought with Aurum and so little anticipation and salivation at the thought of seeing all these ships all bought with Aurum. Think of the tears, people! Think of the tears! Someone spends money on a ship, someone else makes it go >pop< shortly after undocking. Oh god I want everybody to have custom skinned ships that I know they spent real money on. Everybody has a gillion isk these days but you know they'll be mad losing those things.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps. Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now. I agree with this and share your viewpoint.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:12:00 - [9] Originally by: MotherMoon OMG read thre thread. please I'll list the two biggest questions people want answered for you. 1.What you feel about CCP advertising the CSM as in support of just selling the the ship for aurum without trade in I thought this was settled? There was confusion and I have stated at least how I view our position. Quote: 2.Do you see the harm in the possibility of buying a ship just to reprocess it. It's cash for minerals more or less accessible from any station in any part fo the game. Absolutely. Insert dollar = get scorpion is bad. Quote: but seriously CCP is running around going "well the CSM like it so it must be a good idea!: defend yourselfs! And that has been walked back and the entire program pushed until this can be deconflicted. Basically, ~relax~.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:16:00 - [10] Edited by: Vile rat on 14/06/2011 16:17:16 Originally by: Soden Rah great. fine. we can relax about this... maybe... so you're going to get on the issue of the patch hitting TQ in 6 days then.... Quote: No, I think you might have missed a post. The plan is to put the ship into the EVE client for Incarna 1.0 but not put any in the game yet. In August, we will evaluate how things are going, how long until the store can support either BCPs or trade-ins, and then work with the CSM to pick a launch schedule for the ship. We are holding it back to go slower. The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air. Quote: And yet apparently you don't have a problem with CCP implementing just that on a "temporary" basis. I made that post and then one of our logistics/finance guys starts explaining all the ways he'd abuse this. Let's say from the time I posted that "one week wouldn't be a big deal" to now I have changed my stance on this significantly.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Ciar Meara Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps. Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now. I agree with this and share your viewpoint. About time! Perhaps this can be a lesson to you! Amazing how getting informed about an issue (like reading the thread and consulting with ppl who know what they are talking about) can help when forming an opinion isn't it... Honestly who can be anything but sad for the CSM. Hahahahahahahah
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:43:00 - [12] Originally by: A huge turd poster Dear terrible CSM guy, besides your duty is to bring OUR opinions to CCP and not yours, the following is a piece of crock: Quote: The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air. I opened a random LP store where I can trade in a regular ship + tokens + LP + whatever or even do the same for a BPC and I get a faction ship (= different model, skin and ID) So what's so hard adding a LP store entry where you trade a scorpion + aurum + whatever and get a new one? Dunno but this is a technical barrier they need to figure out before it's a mechanism that we'd support.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:46:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon CSM you should find a way to make a post to reach the great community. You know the people that won't read every single page? Maybe make a new thread? Make CCP publish a CSM dev blog about the issue and address the community at large? That or get a fireside chat up and running asap. We're going to do this soon. We're just waiting for these damn minutes to be finished (argh!).
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Kidd Edited by: Mr Kidd on 14/06/2011 16:50:47 Originally by: Vile rat Originally by: A huge turd poster So what's so hard adding a LP store entry where you trade a scorpion + aurum + whatever and get a new one? Dunno but this is a technical barrier they need to figure out before it's a mechanism that we'd support. I'm not understanding the "technical barrier". The logic already exists. Copy/Paste + fiddle = win. The LP store is already a working, perfect model for the Aurum store. It's most disconcerting that there is some "barrier" which prevents them from doing such. I suspect the "barrier" is CCP wants direct cash for magic stuff. Please dissuade me from such a belief. I don't have to dissuade you from ****. They're holding off until they figure whatever 'it' is and that's fine with me. They either change it and we're sunshine/rainbows, or we're back to square one and it's something we will confront.
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.06.14 16:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel You missed the bus on this one, we already debated this issue at length. Let me paraphrase a tiny bit the history: CCP wanted to add microtransactions (ie, real cash for items). CSM 5 went ballistic and said "no effing way". CCP explained to the CSM that there are people who are willing to spend more cash on their hobbies. CSM and CCP argued at length, in the end we reached a compromise and CSM 5 managed to change CCP's stance to only allow "vanity" items. ie, items that do not provide a competitive advantage, and as long as the core features are still available to all. CSM 6, when presented with the first iteration of the item store (the one available on SiSi for testing at the moment), was very happy with the items provided and their quality, with the way they were provided and with CCP's plan for the future in that regard (more in the meeting minutes that are going to get released). As far as the Ishukone Issue Scorpion was concerned (which, incidentally, we found very pretty), CCP announced that they wouldn't be able to redeem an existing scorpion with a golden one initially due to technical constraints. CSM answered we'd rather CCP wait until that technical issue was fixed. CCP asked if it was acceptable if the offer was only available for a short time (ie, a couple of weeks), we answered that, while we'd rather CCP wait, it could be acceptable. This is the whole of it. Zinfandel misquoted us by mistake, he corrected his error, now let's all cool down a tiny bit... The end of the world is not coming. I feel like this post should be bumped. Good job CCP for hearing what a fairly large portion of the player base is saying again. Slade No I'd prefer we stick to outright insults and lunatic accusations.

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